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哈金党飘过 Watson: I thought we should discuss Hermione…I’m sure you’ve heard this a million times but now that you have written thebooks, do you have a new perspective on how you relate to Hermione and therelationship you have with her or had with her?
我觉得我们应该谈谈赫敏…我相信你已经听过这个问题上百万次了，但是既然现在你的书已经写完了，对于你和赫敏之间的关系，以及你与她或者曾经与她之间的相联有没有新的感受？
Rowling: I know that Hermione is incrediblyrecognizable to a lot of readers and yet you don’t see a lot of Hermiones infilm or on TV except to be laughed at. I mean that the intense, clever, in someways not terribly self-aware, girl is rarely the heroine and I really wantedher to be the heroine. She is part of me, although she is not wholly me. Ithink that is how I might have appeared to people when I was younger, but thatis not really how I was inside.
我知道对于很多读者来说，赫敏这个角色有着相当客观的辨识度，毕竟你很少在电影或者电视剧中看见赫敏这种角色，除非那是搞笑角色。我的意思是说，她是那么的强势，聪明并且某种程度上来说，还不至于吓到人的自我意识。姑娘们通常来说是很少会做女英雄的，但是我真的很希望她成为那个女英雄。她是一部分的我，不过并不全是我（的化身）。我想（赫敏的形象）也许就是我年轻的时候展现在人们面前的样子，但是那并不是我内在真实的模样。
What I will say is that I wrote the Hermione/Ronrelationship as a form of wish fulfillment. That’s how it was conceived,really. For reasons that have very little to do with literature and far more todo with me clinging to the plot as I first imagined it, Hermione with Ron.
我想说的是，我写了赫敏/罗恩这段关系是作为满足我心愿的一种形式，这就是（这段感情）如何被构想出的原因，真的。这个原因并没有多少文学性可言，更多的是因为我对我最初构思的依赖，赫敏和罗恩在一起。
Watson: Ah. 啊。
我觉得我们应该谈谈赫敏…我相信你已经听过这个问题上百万次了，但是既然现在你的书已经写完了，对于你和赫敏之间的关系，以及你与她或者曾经与她之间的相联有没有新的感受？
Rowling: I know that Hermione is incrediblyrecognizable to a lot of readers and yet you don’t see a lot of Hermiones infilm or on TV except to be laughed at. I mean that the intense, clever, in someways not terribly self-aware, girl is rarely the heroine and I really wantedher to be the heroine. She is part of me, although she is not wholly me. Ithink that is how I might have appeared to people when I was younger, but thatis not really how I was inside.
我知道对于很多读者来说，赫敏这个角色有着相当客观的辨识度，毕竟你很少在电影或者电视剧中看见赫敏这种角色，除非那是搞笑角色。我的意思是说，她是那么的强势，聪明并且某种程度上来说，还不至于吓到人的自我意识。姑娘们通常来说是很少会做女英雄的，但是我真的很希望她成为那个女英雄。她是一部分的我，不过并不全是我（的化身）。我想（赫敏的形象）也许就是我年轻的时候展现在人们面前的样子，但是那并不是我内在真实的模样。
What I will say is that I wrote the Hermione/Ronrelationship as a form of wish fulfillment. That’s how it was conceived,really. For reasons that have very little to do with literature and far more todo with me clinging to the plot as I first imagined it, Hermione with Ron.
我想说的是，我写了赫敏/罗恩这段关系是作为满足我心愿的一种形式，这就是（这段感情）如何被构想出的原因，真的。这个原因并没有多少文学性可言，更多的是因为我对我最初构思的依赖，赫敏和罗恩在一起。
Watson: Ah. 啊。
Rowling: I know, I’m sorry, I can hear the rageand fury it might cause some fans, but if I’m absolutely honest, distance hasgiven me perspective on that. It was a choice I made for very personal reasons,not for reasons of credibility. Am I breaking people’s hearts by saying this? Ihope not.
我知道，很抱歉，我能听到一些书迷的愤怒和恼火，但是如果在这里要我绝对坦诚的话，距离开始让我有了新的看法。我做出这个选择是基于非常个人的理由，并不是出于可信度的考虑。我现在这样说是不是伤了一些人的心？我希望没有。
Watson: I don’t know. I think there are fans outthere who know that too and who wonder whether Ron would have really been ableto make her happy.
我不知道啦,不过我想有些书迷也明白这一点，并且他们也在怀疑罗恩是不是真的能让赫敏快乐。
Rowling: Yes exactly.
说的很对。
Watson: And vice versa.
同理也可以反过来 （赫敏是否能让罗恩快乐）。
Rowling: It was a young relationship. I thinkthe attraction itself is plausible but the combative side of it… I’m not sureyou could have got over that in an adult relationship, there was too muchfundamental incompatibility. I can’t believe we are saying all of this – thisis Potter heresy!
In some ways Hermione and Harry are a better fit, and I’lltell you something very strange. When I wrote Hallows, I felt this quitestrongly when I had Hermione and Harry together in the tent! I hadn’t told[Steven] Kloves that and when he wrote the script he felt exactly the samething at exactly the same point.
这是一段年轻的爱情，我觉得这种吸引本身是非常合理的，不过好斗的那一面么…我不太确定在一段成年人的感情中你是否还能重演这一切，（这段感情）有太多本质上的不协调了。我真不敢相信我将要说的这一切 — 和波特的话，就没有这个问题了（此处为意译，原意是说波特是相反的那一个）。
在某些方面，赫敏和哈利的确是更好的搭配，现在我要告诉你一些我自己的非常奇怪（的感受）。在我写作《死圣》的时候，当写到赫敏和哈利在帐篷里独处时，我曾非常强烈的有过这种感受（指赫敏和哈利在一起某些方面会更好）。我并没有和Steven Kloves (HP电影系列的编剧之一）说过这种感受，然而当他写作那一幕剧本时,他在那个点产生了和我一模一样的想法。
Watson: This is just so interesting because whenI was doing the scene, I said to David [Heyman]: “This isn’t in the book, shedidn’t write this.” I’m not sure I am comfortable insinuating something howeversubtle it is!
这简直是太有趣了，因为当我在拍摄那一幕时，我告诉David Heyman（HP系列电影的制片人），“这一段书里可没有，她（罗琳）没写过这些。”我不太确定我是否能自如的（表演出）暗示那么微妙的情感。
Rowling: Yes, but David and Steve – they feltwhat I felt when writing it.
是的，但是大卫和史蒂夫，他们感受到了我写的时候感受到的东西。
Watson: That is so strange.
这真是挺奇妙的。
我知道，很抱歉，我能听到一些书迷的愤怒和恼火，但是如果在这里要我绝对坦诚的话，距离开始让我有了新的看法。我做出这个选择是基于非常个人的理由，并不是出于可信度的考虑。我现在这样说是不是伤了一些人的心？我希望没有。
Watson: I don’t know. I think there are fans outthere who know that too and who wonder whether Ron would have really been ableto make her happy.
我不知道啦,不过我想有些书迷也明白这一点，并且他们也在怀疑罗恩是不是真的能让赫敏快乐。
Rowling: Yes exactly.
说的很对。
Watson: And vice versa.
同理也可以反过来 （赫敏是否能让罗恩快乐）。
Rowling: It was a young relationship. I thinkthe attraction itself is plausible but the combative side of it… I’m not sureyou could have got over that in an adult relationship, there was too muchfundamental incompatibility. I can’t believe we are saying all of this – thisis Potter heresy!
In some ways Hermione and Harry are a better fit, and I’lltell you something very strange. When I wrote Hallows, I felt this quitestrongly when I had Hermione and Harry together in the tent! I hadn’t told[Steven] Kloves that and when he wrote the script he felt exactly the samething at exactly the same point.
这是一段年轻的爱情，我觉得这种吸引本身是非常合理的，不过好斗的那一面么…我不太确定在一段成年人的感情中你是否还能重演这一切，（这段感情）有太多本质上的不协调了。我真不敢相信我将要说的这一切 — 和波特的话，就没有这个问题了（此处为意译，原意是说波特是相反的那一个）。
在某些方面，赫敏和哈利的确是更好的搭配，现在我要告诉你一些我自己的非常奇怪（的感受）。在我写作《死圣》的时候，当写到赫敏和哈利在帐篷里独处时，我曾非常强烈的有过这种感受（指赫敏和哈利在一起某些方面会更好）。我并没有和Steven Kloves (HP电影系列的编剧之一）说过这种感受，然而当他写作那一幕剧本时,他在那个点产生了和我一模一样的想法。
Watson: This is just so interesting because whenI was doing the scene, I said to David [Heyman]: “This isn’t in the book, shedidn’t write this.” I’m not sure I am comfortable insinuating something howeversubtle it is!
这简直是太有趣了，因为当我在拍摄那一幕时，我告诉David Heyman（HP系列电影的制片人），“这一段书里可没有，她（罗琳）没写过这些。”我不太确定我是否能自如的（表演出）暗示那么微妙的情感。
Rowling: Yes, but David and Steve – they feltwhat I felt when writing it.
是的，但是大卫和史蒂夫，他们感受到了我写的时候感受到的东西。
Watson: That is so strange.
这真是挺奇妙的。
Rowling: And actually I liked that scene in thefilm, because it was articulating something I hadn’t said but I had felt. Ireally liked it and I thought that it was right. I think you do feel the ghostof what could have been in that scene.
其实我还是挺喜欢电影里的那一幕的，因为它清楚地表达出了我想到了却没说出来的场景。我的确很喜欢那一幕，并且我认为它传达了正确的情感，我认为你确实能在那个场景中感受到某些可能存在于此的事物的鬼影。
Watson: It’s a really haunting scene. It isfunny because it really divided people. Some people loved that scene and somepeople really didn’t.
那的确是不容易忘记/鬼影重重（此处双关，Haunting既指难以忘怀的，也指闹鬼的，这是艾玛回应上文罗琳说的鬼影）的一场戏，它（收到的反响）很有趣，因为观众走向了两个极端，一些人很爱这一幕，而另一些却真的很不喜欢。
Rowling: Yes, some people utterly hated it. Butthat is true of so many really good scenes in books and films; they evoke thatstrong positive/negative feeling. I was fine with it, I liked it.
没错，有些观众恨死这个场景了。不过在书里和电影里有那么多出色的情节，它们能够唤起观众强烈的喜欢或厌恶也是很正常的。我对那个场景（的改编）没有觉得不适，我挺喜欢的。
Watson: I remember really loving shooting thosescenes that don’t have any dialogue, where you are just kind of trying toexpress a moment in time and a feeling without saying anything. It was just Danand I spontaneously sort of trying to convey an idea and it was really fun.
我还记得我真的很喜欢拍摄这些完全没有任何对话的戏，在这些场景中，你只是试图去表达一种当下的情感，这种感受不需要任何语言的修饰。只有我和丹（丹尼尔，哈利波特扮演者），我们俩自然而然的想去传达出这种情感，这个经历真的很有趣。
Rowling: And you got it perfectly, you got perfectlythe sort of mixture of awkwardness and genuine emotion, because it teeters onthe edge of “What are we doing? Oh come on let’s do it anyway,” which I thoughtwas just right for that time.
而你做到了，做的很完美，你正确无误地抓住了那种真挚和尴尬混合的情绪，因为这种情绪就像是你在悬崖边摇摆着犹豫着“我们在做什么？唉不管了，让该发生的就发生吧”，而这种想法在我看来，在那个时间点恰恰是正常的。
Watson: I think it was just the sense that inthe moment they needed to be together and be kids and raise each others morale.
在我看来，只是在那一刻，他们感觉到他们需要在一起，（他们需要）表现的像孩子一样，并且(他们需要）为彼此打气。
其实我还是挺喜欢电影里的那一幕的，因为它清楚地表达出了我想到了却没说出来的场景。我的确很喜欢那一幕，并且我认为它传达了正确的情感，我认为你确实能在那个场景中感受到某些可能存在于此的事物的鬼影。
Watson: It’s a really haunting scene. It isfunny because it really divided people. Some people loved that scene and somepeople really didn’t.
那的确是不容易忘记/鬼影重重（此处双关，Haunting既指难以忘怀的，也指闹鬼的，这是艾玛回应上文罗琳说的鬼影）的一场戏，它（收到的反响）很有趣，因为观众走向了两个极端，一些人很爱这一幕，而另一些却真的很不喜欢。
Rowling: Yes, some people utterly hated it. Butthat is true of so many really good scenes in books and films; they evoke thatstrong positive/negative feeling. I was fine with it, I liked it.
没错，有些观众恨死这个场景了。不过在书里和电影里有那么多出色的情节，它们能够唤起观众强烈的喜欢或厌恶也是很正常的。我对那个场景（的改编）没有觉得不适，我挺喜欢的。
Watson: I remember really loving shooting thosescenes that don’t have any dialogue, where you are just kind of trying toexpress a moment in time and a feeling without saying anything. It was just Danand I spontaneously sort of trying to convey an idea and it was really fun.
我还记得我真的很喜欢拍摄这些完全没有任何对话的戏，在这些场景中，你只是试图去表达一种当下的情感，这种感受不需要任何语言的修饰。只有我和丹（丹尼尔，哈利波特扮演者），我们俩自然而然的想去传达出这种情感，这个经历真的很有趣。
Rowling: And you got it perfectly, you got perfectlythe sort of mixture of awkwardness and genuine emotion, because it teeters onthe edge of “What are we doing? Oh come on let’s do it anyway,” which I thoughtwas just right for that time.
而你做到了，做的很完美，你正确无误地抓住了那种真挚和尴尬混合的情绪，因为这种情绪就像是你在悬崖边摇摆着犹豫着“我们在做什么？唉不管了，让该发生的就发生吧”，而这种想法在我看来，在那个时间点恰恰是正常的。
Watson: I think it was just the sense that inthe moment they needed to be together and be kids and raise each others morale.
在我看来，只是在那一刻，他们感觉到他们需要在一起，（他们需要）表现的像孩子一样，并且(他们需要）为彼此打气。
