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转GS上关于昨天WTT SD冰舞定级问题的分析

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-by sisinka from GS
Lena & Ruslan:
Step Sequence Level 2: (PSt2)
Chocktaw – great…
Counter – very good, especially opening edge was to die for…
One Foot Section:
…Rocker – great – lovely opening edge…
…Counter – great opening edge, visible second edge, but Ruslan’s change of edge goes through the heel of blade – this his turn shouldn’t be counted…
-入手懒换刃时踩到了刀跟部分
…Bracket – good…
…Double Twizzle – great…
Chocktaw – great opening edge, good second edge…
Double Twizzles – very good…
Rocker – very good…
Chocktaw – very good…
Overall if Ruslan wouldn’t execute wrong change of edge in Counter during One Foot Section, this execution would be Level 4 without any doubts…being strict it should be Level 3 and GOE +3 from all judges, nobody is executing better turns (with exception of Ruslan’s Counter). And those edges…they are the couple with the deepest edges and the best knee work in current Ice Dance.
如果入手懒的counter换刃时没有出错 这组步法应该定level4,严格判定应该是level3 goe+3,他们的用刃深度 膝盖都是最好的,现役没有其他选手的turns比他们做的更好了。
Some Russian fans are persisting on saying that Lena & Ruslan are missing perfect synchro…yes, their arm positions in steps are sometimes not identical, but only sometimes and the rest is great and in very good synchro…
Then I started to notice “perfect synchro“ with couples who skate many years together…
Andrew & Kaitlyn – http://i59.tinypic.com/2qu5fa1.jpg
Madison & Evan – http://i62.tinypic.com/2v17r6o.jpg
Gabriella & Guillaume – http://i62.tinypic.com/2narz20.jpg
…they all have moments and in case of French many moments with out of synchro moves especially arm positions, in case of French also free leg positions…did any judges put some deductions to them because of it? No.
有人提出iz同步性不是太好,于是贴了几个其他人截图,表示多少都有问题,细节同步性没有人是没破绽的。
Twizzle Level 3: 同捻3
…great and definitely with best ice coverage in first Set, but in the third Set Ruslan executed last rotation in Twizzle without moving forward, so it could be counted like a Piruette – not surprising that Technical panel who undeservedly put down Level in Steps catches this opportunity to put down another Level, this time there was at least a reason…
第一组冰面覆盖率很棒,第三组入手懒最后一圈有原地转圈嫌疑,步法抓的那么狠,这个地方无疑也要抓一下了…
Paso Doble:
…Ruslan didn’t got counted his Key Point 2 – unfortunately video showed this step not in detail, so it is hard to tell, but it looked OK to me, but Technical panel surely had better shot whether everything was OK or not…
图案舞入手懒的key point2被抓,但转播画面原因po主看不到
…Ruslan didn’t get counted also second Key Point 2 – his slide steps especially second one were not too sure…
入手懒第二段的key point2也被抓,他的滑步尤其第二步不太准
…Lena got Timing issue in second Key Point 3…this is funny thing because in reality the only lady who was able to execute good timing in Key Point 3 (Open Mohawk is executed in both Key Points 3 by lady) was Madison, but only in her second Key Point 3…in rules there is written that in Open Mohawk second edge on Left Backward Inside edge must be executed between count 4 and 1 (definitely after count 3)…but all ladies – Lena, Kaitlyn, Gabriella were executing second edge in last step on count 3 = too soon…surprisingly all ladies got this Key Point counted while the only Lena got Timing issue…and the most funny thing - also Madison got Timing issue - in case when she was OK in Timing during second Key Point 3…
妞第二段的key point3有timing问题,这很有趣,事实上这个key point3 timing做的最好的是cb的c的第二段,规则要求(女伴pattern)开式莫霍克第二步左后内刃应该踩在第4拍和1拍之间,绝对应该在3拍之后,但所有的女伴i w g都是踩在第三拍上=落脚太快,但只有i被抓了,而且c也被抓了 她第二段这一处做的没错…
If somebody would like to explain me why the couple with such edges - http://i58.tinypic.com/scc391.jpg - gets so low Skating Skills, only 8.29 points…I would really like to know.
谁能给我解释下 用刃那么好的这对滑行只得了8.29是为什么


IP属地:天津来自iPhone客户端1楼2015-04-17 10:55回复
    Madison & Evan:
    Paso Doble:
    …I don’t like so much when count 1 in steps is not done on the main beat, but sure there is no deduction for this…
    …second Key Point 3 – Madison put her Left backward Inside edge on wrong place – it must be placed at the inner side of the skating foot – Madison put it far from it, next to heel of skating blade – this Key Point shouldn’t be counted…
    图案舞:po主不太喜欢步法的第一拍落在音乐的非重拍上,当然这不扣分
    第二个key point3- 女伴左后内刃落脚位置不对,应该落在滑足的内侧,女伴落脚在刀跟旁边了,这个key point应该抓
    Step Sequence:
    …some light edges, some good edges, few very good edges…
    …One Foot Section with not visible edges work thanks to camera…
    不接触步法:有些用刃浅,有些不错,少数用刃非常好的。单足部分看不到用刃…机位机位…


    IP属地:天津来自iPhone客户端3楼2015-04-17 10:57
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      So if Technical panel was so strict to Lena & Ruslan putting them Levels down for every smaller mistake, then they should also put down…
      …Level in Twizzle for W&P…
      …Levels for Key Points 3 for Timing issues in case of P&C and W&P, one Timing issue for C&B…
      …Level down because second Key Point 3 in case of C&B was wrongly executed…
      …re-watch Step Sequence and Key Point 1 for P&C because of light edges…
      …BUT panel should count Step Sequence Level 3 for I&Z…Level down in Step Sequence for Lena & Ruslan was not fair, there was no reason for it.
      如果裁判抓了iz犯的每一个错误,给出降级,其他几对也应该有抓点,这不公平
      So once again some couples are excused while Lena & Ruslan are punished for imperfection…then we have such big difference in Element Score…
      As to presentation…I liked W&P the most, they were great today, it was a very strong performance as to dance quality. Second best were I&Z, they can be sharper in moves, but still they had tones of passion and great Spanish dance execution. P&C were very good, but I don’t take Guillaume’s romantic presentation of Paso Doble/Spanish dance. C&B had better presentation in comparison with World Championships in my opinion but I refuse to admit that Spanish dance style is the same like Chicago and Cabaret dance style, although Madison is very good in such style.
      表演方面po主认为WP>IZ>PC,cb在WC发挥更好………
      Why I&Z got 3 point lower Component score then top 3 couples is another question…
      I&Z with perfect edges and technique got 8.29 points fot Skating Skills, while Gabriella had one small stumble in Step Sequence and one big stumble at the end of the program – and P&C gets 8.82 points for Skating Skills…C&B for light edges gets 9.11 points for Skating Skills.
      继续质疑IZ过低的滑行分
      Another Component marks are also questionable as well.
      GOE for Step Sequence for top 3 couples +2.20 points…for I&Z +1.73 points only.
      GOE for Paso Doble parts – top 3 couples over +1 or a little bit under +1…I&Z +0.69 and +0.51 points…
      GOE for Twizzles for top 2 couples +1.20 and +1.54 points…for I&Z +1.03 points…
      goe方面对IZ也格外手紧…
      Well, I am really not surprised that people are shocked with marks for top 4 couples, it was not good job from Technical panel and judges.


      IP属地:天津来自iPhone客户端4楼2015-04-17 10:58
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        附图形舞示意


        IP属地:天津来自iPhone客户端5楼2015-04-17 11:02
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          Pcs都是先定档再细分的。zhengc


          IP属地:重庆来自iPhone客户端6楼2015-04-17 11:25
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            附模糊版小分表


            IP属地:天津来自iPhone客户端7楼2015-04-17 11:34
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              看起来分析得很到位,图形舞示意图太难懂了


              8楼2015-04-17 12:06
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                GS大概是个什么网站


                IP属地:北京来自Android客户端9楼2015-04-17 12:58
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                  呵呵,看不懂英文还敢跑出来秀下限。


                  IP属地:重庆11楼2015-04-17 15:05
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                    重开一层关于count 4的问题= =,
                    Count是指音乐拍子应该没错。斗牛舞KP3里的女步第28步是右前外Swing Roll(这种摇滚步汉译学名是啥?交替步?)-右前内 开式莫霍克-左前内,其中Swing Roll持续3拍,那么所谓的count 4应该就是Swing roll接下来的那一拍。也就是说,这个开式莫霍克需要在Swing Roll之后的一拍内完成。下一个count 1则是新一圈图形的开始。
                    不造说没说清楚。大致就是在数拍子其实是以两个小节为一个单位,这样四二拍打拍子的时候是打1-2-3-4,所以会有count 3, count 4. 至于四三拍八六拍,就会有count 5, count 6的出现了(某个华尔兹图案舞的要求里就有提到)。
                    作为冰舞小白真是为了看懂比赛费劲心思啊忙完最近准备研究下赛季的pattern dance了【此处应有拜拜】


                    12楼2015-04-17 21:31
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                      mark


                      IP属地:河南来自iPhone客户端13楼2015-04-17 22:38
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                        你们都太专业了哇AA啊啊


                        14楼2015-04-17 23:51
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                          的确很为iz的滑行分不平。wp和pc都没他们好啊


                          来自iPhone客户端15楼2015-04-18 11:23
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                            刚才看了WTT IZ WP CB PC的短节目,跟GS这位大神有点不一样,我觉得WP女伴的第一个KP3是对的,第二个才有点快。CB的角度看不清,但IZ PC女伴是明显在第四拍已经落地了。
                            看了一下UZ和DS的paso doble,domnina的三拍很明显,甚至比UZ还明显。打着拍子看了一遍,大概的感觉就是就是我们以前音乐学过的两个42拍完了以后接了一个弱起的二分之一拍用来做这个Op Mo...
                            UZ的,http://www.tudou.com/listplay/SpmTPY0e6zc/KaxKtlurOaM.html
                            DS的http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/r0RhCFtemAU/
                            DS的这套太美了!
                            @RainaF


                            IP属地:河南16楼2015-05-12 16:57
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