但是剧情里的“蛇”到底是路西法还是撒旦也不清楚，毕竟路西法在剧情里也被叫做蛇
仲魔介绍只是只是介绍他在原典里的一些设定，不一定和剧情就完全对应，最直观的就是路西法这句“和撒旦等同的魔王”，然而在剧情里这两个地位基本不等同，撒旦也不是魔王

主要是雅威18年前就被路西法干死了，纯雅威走狗L线直接PASS掉了，剩下的几个结局基本都有路西法的操纵……话说这一作应该有皆杀线才对，把阿弥陀佛和多绪都干掉

Even though SMT5's story is undoubtedly half-baked, there is one through-line 5 made that I genuinely loved. That being the natural conclusion to Lucifer's motivations in Nocturne.
Lucifer's primary goal in Nocturne was to overthrow YHVH, who he believed was responsible for the endless cycle of destruction and recreation the universe had been subjected to. He was successful, but his victory in dethroning God led to a discovery he wasn't expecting. That YHVH ultimately wasn't responsible for the cycle, even if he had a hand in manipulating it to some degree. In truth, the foundation of the universe itself. But upon consuming The Creator's knowledge, he discovered a way to free the universe from the Mandala System. He would finally be able to create the unshackled world he desired in Nocturne. But to do so, he would need to pass down the Knowledge he consumed to a Nahobino capable of not only reaching the Throne of Creation, but capable of defeating him in his complete angelic is Chaos in the sense that he desires a version of humanity that is completely unfettered. From the beginning, he's acted in hopes of seeing what people can do when they're allowed to reach their fullest potential. With nothing, not even God himself, holding them back. It's only natural he would do everything in his power to bring his vision into reality, even if it means sacrificing himself to do so. Even if he isn't there to see what humanity is truly capable of, his battle ends with him content that the universe's shackles will finally be broken.
It proves to me that, at one point, a much deeper story was planned for this game. And yet because SMT5 had a troubled development, a lot of ideas had to be thrown out. And yet, somehow through it all, this one scrap of an incredible story managed to survive.

看了下路总的后院对话，好像路总暗示是他将智慧分给人类的。 结合萨麦尔说的“路西法知道支配是距离自由最遥远的概念，所以才会反叛神，帮助蛇” 搞不好诱惑人类吃智慧果这件事是他们合起伙儿干的。。。那条蛇是萨麦尔，路西法协助那条蛇或者说给蛇出的主意？
那撒旦岂不是真就查无此人了，只会装逼口嗨，谁都不敢碰，甚至主线都不会跳出来阻止主角，只敢在支线当隐藏boss说要试炼主角，被主角干爆就立马滑跪听话说认可主角了。

大光头…是谁来着？

在西方作品里，撒旦一般都是第一反派角色，纯纯的坏种。在这个游戏里反而像是对人类对神的信仰是否坚定的测量角色，甚至不能称为魔王了，还是天使的一种

这代里不同结局根本毫无影响，主线就是路西法培养创毘打破曼荼罗法则。

大光头之死和曼荼罗法则是前提和背景板，创毘的选择是路线，可以说创毘被老路牵着头皮走，但就算老路再怎么努力最后我们还是能选择让天使管理世界建立一神教啊（

SMT系列的撒旦的定位一直是神之敌，给大光头做事的同时也鞭策大光头，2里面是yhvh的手下，秩序路线跟着主角一起打yhvh，4f里面分裂成了梅尔卡巴和路西法，后面又合体了测试主角实力，皆杀和牵绊线中都会帮主角打yhvh，同时也是这次引入了他是宏伟之理的使者的设定。在SMT里撒旦跟路西法是完全对立的，p系列的终末之战合体技就是路西法和撒旦就是暗示这点，5v的说明文档就可以看到撒旦是LIGHT-LAW，魔王路西法是DARK-CHAOS。
而撒旦这次逼格还是很高的，是少数几个游戏中无法击杀的boss，将门作为东京守护神主角肯定不会杀，人修罗也只是切磋一下，撒旦这次过来也只是作为现象的使者考验主角，而且看样子其实并不太在意脱离法则这事，支线最后也说了，想看看主角能对系统产生什么样的影响，万一能为系统带来优化呢？路西法也只是帮主角的世界脱离了法则，但还有无数的世界处于法则其中。
而且出场方式也挺够格了，曼塞马特的神之恶意，萨麦尔的神之毒，以及路西法的神之光辉才能召唤撒旦出来

我一直以为诱惑亚当和夏娃的是路西法

求问下，大魔王路西法怎么能解锁

一开始让你别牵少女的手的男声就是路西法吧。如果他与蛇合作为何坚决反对呢？既然他唯一的目的就是想要主角打败现象，那他就是认为洋子的存在，和提亚马特会对主角造成巨大威胁。所以现在来讲，他肯定不会跟蛇神合作，顶多是很久之前有过交集。

终于彻底理解了撒旦的定位了，还是Atlus设计有问题。
实际上按照剧情一周目情况下是没有撒旦参与的。
理论上撒旦会出现的要求是，二周目，并且玩家要有一个已通关过的存档。
本质上，牢马要召唤撒旦，是因为曼荼罗法则告知了他，玩家一周目通关游戏让那个世界脱离了大宇宙意志的掌控，所以在这个二周目平行世界，牢马要阻止这个世界也效仿一周目那样突破法则的。
因此牢马这才召唤出了撒旦来对抗主角。
但由于游戏不会检测这个通关存档到底是不是一周目游戏产生的，就导致玩家通关存档如果没覆盖之前的，另外存了新档，然后继续游玩通关前的一周目旧存档，系统会把旧存档误认为是已经通关过以后的新档，然后牢马依旧会说是自己“被主告知了存在其他世界脱离了曼荼罗控制，所以过来消灭主角扼杀这个世界试图脱离的可能性”
这就导致，实际上应该是二周目才会触发的牢马召唤撒旦的剧情在一周目就能够触发。

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